 Bill Johnson |
June 2016 EPs, SFs, Finalists
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Bill Johnson |
There is much I could say about the rule, but I'll only make a couple of points. I want to say first and foremost my comments are not about my personal feelings regarding my shooting or contest entering. It's about the viability of the site. I think we can agree that we have far less submitting members than in the past. Entries for contests have gone from 20,000 to under 5,000. And that 5,000 includes up to 10 or maybe unlimited entries by some members while that 20,000 was when only 1 a day was allowed. I suspect if people follow the rule, there will be far less entries. Also this was the "law of the land" a couple of years ago and was repealed. Did it not produce what they wanted it to or did it produce some unintended negative results. For some reason it got repealed. I think this idea might work if we had a category devoted to it. Perhaps if results and feelings were amazing it could then be applied site-wide. My recommendation is to try it as the theme for the summer and see how it works and how people feel. Then decide about site-wide.
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- Cindy Bendush Contact Cindy Bendush Cindy Bendush's Gallery |
I agree and it puzzles me too: I thought BP wanted MORE entries. This will cut entries down to a trickle which will make the contest much less competitive, less challenging and less enjoyable. Furthermore this change is a further nail in the coffin for those who never have been enthusiastic about the new gallery style. If the contest and galleries aren't fun people simply will lose interest and look elsewhere. Winning images are a joy to view. It would be a shame to lose the fabulous images that go on to gold the second time around. This change would be a challenging and fun monthly theme though!
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery  |
Got an EP for June 3rd.... :-)
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Cary Rogers |
Ditto for me, too, Bob. I didn't enter on Jun 1st or 2nd, so it was a little surprising they are on June 3rd, already. But, because of the new mandate, perhaps they didn't have as many images to go through for those 2 days.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I see three EPs for 1st, 2nd and 3rd of my monthly submits. Good luck to all in the June contest. UB.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Same as Usman. Nice :)
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I see my June 4 entry now has an EP too. UB.
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher  Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
EPs June 1-5 so far.
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Cindy Koller |
On the initial topic of this new summer trial, everyone knows I'm no fan of resubmissions, but I'd bet we might see a whole lot less if we had consistent high quality judging. As for limiting entries to what we shot in last 60 days, I've never in all my days heard of a photo competition limiting timeframe like that. I've heard of major competitions where entries must have been taken within the prior year, but this is no major competition. I'm already submitting less, and I might submit a few next month, but unless rules change to allow photos older than 60 days, I'm out possibly until January, and by then why bother. No EP's yet as I did not submit my first shot until 6/6, and I have complied with the 1 per day rule.
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
Cindy, you can write to Jim with your concerns, he does listen. I wrote him that I have 1000s of images shot on film that I have been editing in Photoshop that I would like to post as I have not been doing much shooting recently due to health reasons and deaths in the family. He told me that was fine as long as I was not resubmitting .
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
First Princess let me say that I am so sorry for your losses and I hope your health situation improves! Princesses shouldn't be ill! :-) Thank you for this information as I have been doing the same thing with old images! Take care!
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Cindy Koller |
Jill, thanks for the info. How do you write him personally? Also, he mentioned exemptions for health issues, but my issue is not health related. I already think many folks are posting older photos as there is no way to identify date taken within BP. So far, I've resisted this, as first, I've trying to play by the rules, two, I just got back from a trip where I do have photos to submit, and three, because most of my photos are taken outside this country, in very distinct places, it makes it more difficult for someone paying attention not to figure it out. Hope you feel better.
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
http://www.betterphoto.com/about/contact.php
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I am abiding by the rules but it is not something I want as a permanent thing. Again, I like the idea of limiting resubmits. I know that there are some photographers who find it difficult to photograph regularly due to health issues or family matters and it is good that BP makes allowances for them. I also suspect that there are photographers who are perfectly able to photograph but are skirting the rule. The bright spot is the digital darkroom as old photos can be "tweaked". Also, the monthly theme can be something to concentrate on. I am sure Jim has heard my issue with the rules many, many times from others. I think we are locked in for the next two months but hopefully, that will be it. Sorry about your health and family issues, Jill.
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Cindy Koller |
I got my weekly eMail with Photos of the Week was wondering why Jim is sending out Photos from 2010 and 2011 as Photos of the Week? I've sensed for a while that something was up with POW as they rarely look familiar to me lately, and I guess now I know why. There really is no more photo of the week. What's up with this? Its not from the week or the month, or last month, to last year. Is there nothing we do here that is worthy of POW?
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
All very mysterious.... I have wondered this myself. There really is NOT a photo of the day if the "day" was five years ago....
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
As for the POTD, there were programming issues for a long long time. During that period, I believe Jim kept selecting likely candidates and putting them in a POTD folder. Then when he started going through the previous winners, he doubtless kept coming on terrific photos and added them to the mix. So what we see is simply a featured image each day that is very eye-catching and of high interest - regardless of the moment at which it was first entered in a contest here at BP. Maybe once Jim gets finished with his selection of All Time SF's followed by All Time Finalists, he can make time to take a fresh look at the selection criteria for the POTD pool. In the meantime, I'm just glad to have daily featured photos back, no matter what they are called or when they were entered in the contest. :)
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Thanks for the info, Nikki. I was wondering what the deal was.
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Bill Johnson |
Ironic that at the same time we are looking for new and recently shot contest entries, we are seeing "resubs"of sorts from long ago on the POTD front.
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Ujjwal Mukherjee |
I hope the restriction gets limited to resubmits only. I just came back from a vacation and have new photos to post but I also have a huge nos. of 'new' photos from many of my previous photo/travel trips made in last 2-3 years, 'new' in the sense that those are still in 'RAW' format, not yet processed and posted. As I don't get enough time to work on new photos on a regular basis, those have piled up over time and I would like to select the good ones and post it here as and when time permits, that's what I have been doing off late and would continue to do so. It would seriously handicap my options here on BP if photos taken before 60 days are not considered in the contest and I am sure that would be case for many here. I hope there is a reconsideration on this idea and if it helps - resubmits can be stopped all together.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I would not like to see resubmissions stopped altogether - there are too many very good reasons for trying an image a 2nd time, and it's unrealistic to think that BP can "police" a policy that bans resubmissions through new uploads. But there could certainly be a continued effort to encourage work that is new to BP - that has never been seen here before (regardless of when it was originally shot - and that can't be effectively "policed", either).
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Pat Harry |
Several years ago I participated in another contest board. All the contests were themed, and you had to show exif information to prove the image was taken during the contest time period. Images were disqualified from judging if they were not taken during the time period. The difference between that site and BP is that their contests were themed and had a start and end date. Maybe Jim could do BP's monthly them like this, since it is the only one change changes each month.
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Cary Rogers |
I think I am familiar with that website, Pat. I found the contest rule to be too limiting for my tastes. Another possible solution---if BP is trying to cut down on resubmits in the contest---is to have a separate category for JUST "resubmits." That way, members would still have the opportunity to have an image looked at again, and the other contest categories would only have "new" photos. ~Just a thought...
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- Lindley Johnson Contact Lindley Johnson Lindley Johnson's Gallery |
I agree with many of the thoughts expressed about the current "new rules." In my opinion, it's not realistic to limit people to a 60 day limit for the reasons expressed by Usman and others. While I post many images from trips and photo shoots right away, I also reserve some to upload later in order to provide more variety in my submissions, and because I often see new possibilities when I take a new look at my images at a later date. The topic of resubmissions is another issue - I personally don't have a problem with people resubmitting photos, but if BP wants to limit resubs, there have been some good ideas presented here.
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Cindy Koller |
Ujiwal, so welcome home! You and I are complaining about the same problem. I just got back from the Camargue and have about 10,000 shots and I've barely started to show much from India trip and now it's too old, never mind the Antarctica images I have (again thousands). I like to show my images slowly as there is no upside to dump 30 great shots in one month, as no one around here is going to let one person with 30 heroes get all the medals.
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Cindy Koller |
Bill is right about the irony of the POD issue. Also, it is a major misrepresentation of the facts.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
June is almost over. All we can hope for is that for another 60 days we tolerate this rule. If it goes past September 1st, then each of us must determine if it is worth it. As for now, I guess we just work on photos in anticipation of the contest resuming the way it was before the "rule" was enacted. This contest is not the end all, be all, of our existence as photographers. Life will go on. And for all of you who are skirting the rule then this is called cheating. Shame on you.
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
On a lighter note, my 3 June entries up to the 5th, have EPs on them now.... Happy weekend to everyone... :-)
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I see EPs under my June 5, 6 and 7 entries. UB.
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Cindy Koller |
FYI, I just won a photo contest with 3500 entries, with my entry of Camargue Horses.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Cindy, your image might not have been judged yet, I suggest to give it a few more days. The image is beautiful and Congratz on your photo contest win. UB.
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Bill Johnson |
Cindy, UB was correct. Your picture was EPed today.
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- Beth W. DeBor Contact Beth W. DeBor Beth W. DeBor's Gallery |
Did I miss something? What rule are you talking about? I gather it has something to do with not being able to resubmit images which I thought we could do especially if it was reworked somehow. Also, the June EP's seemed to be done literally overnight. May was finished and the next thing I know, they're on July. I submitted six in June and didn't get any.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I think they are only through about the 10th of June, Beth, but yes, they have also begun July. Not to worry. As for the new "rules", you really have to keep up with the forum discussions to keep up with all the nuances of them. First Jim mentioned it as a rule in the forum. Then he sent an email out. I can't find mine but someone else will have the exact wording. Basically, we are asked to do no resubmissions for three months (June, July, August). We are also asked to do only new uploads AND they are supposed to be newly taken photos (within the last 2-3 months - like in June, I think May and April photos were okay, not sure about whether this rolls with the month or what). But it's okay to make a new image by compositing old images. And if you can't get out and shoot new images, you can write Jim and get a special exception. Then you can upload older images as long as they haven't been submitted before. So some people know all this and some people, like yourself, don't - even though an email was sent out. Some people have changed their e-mail address; lots of people's systems block e-mails of this sort; and many people routinely ignore this sort of e-mail even if they receive them. I suggest that you not despair on your June entries and above all that you not delete them. Just wait and see.
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Cary Rogers |
Wow! Beth is right! They are already into July EPs! I sincerely hope they are not DONE with June EPs, though! For the month of May, I got 30(?) EPs---and only one SF out of the lot. A couple of blackbird shots that I entered I thought would go further than an EP.
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- Carol Quina Contact Carol Quina Carol Quina's Gallery |
If they are done with June EP's than I am completely STUMPED! However, I think that we just need to give it a bit of time to see what is really up so I think I'll refrain from commenting for a few days. Oh, wait...
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
It appears that they're only up to June 10th, Carol.... Be of good cheer, and keep your head high... :-)
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I don't think they are through with June. They usually do a few in the new month just to draw you in, then go back to the previous month. I really don't think they are through with June.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
I'm with the rest of you...no EP's for June yet but got one for my first entry for July! Love how Jim keeps up hopping, it's good for our photog souls! :-)
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Cary Rogers |
I keep hoping they're not done with MAY, yet! j/k ;-)
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Cindy Koller |
Oddly noticed the July EP's also started. Had only entered 1 photo on 7/2 in macro/details category and seem to be only 1 of 3 people who did not receive an EP for their image from 7/1 - 7/3. Perhaps the judge is not even opening the images to look at them based on the judging. May not be the best image I've ever taken, but would not have entered it if I did not think it was high quality.
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
KInd of strange that of the 4images [posted in July I got 4 EPs, but the ones in June, the EPs only go up to the 10th...Wonder why they would skip ahead instead of finishing up June first?
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Skipping ahead has been a pattern for years. In the past people have speculated that possibly different people took different months for the initial or EP selection process, so if it was convenient for the "July" person to begin, s/he did so - with no thought to whether the "June" person had finished or not. As I say, this theory is purely speculative as far as I know, but it does "work" for this pattern. It also works for the question of why there are often late EP pick-ups. If one person goes through and then later another takes a look either at the entire pool or at the passed over images, that would explain those.
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- Beth W. DeBor Contact Beth W. DeBor Beth W. DeBor's Gallery |
Nikki, thanks for your explanation. I hadn't received the email talking about the new rules; I also hadn't gotten any notifications lately about the forums and I forgot to check them. I'm not really crazy about the new rules and hope they're only temporary. I guess we'll see. Thanks again,
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
Beth, the only "new" rule I'm aware of is that Jim M said that for June (and I think Jul and Aug), was that he only wanted to see new photos. No resubmits. And for the new photos, they had to have been taken within the last two months. So, even if you have a great trip photo from last year that you've never entered, it would be excluded from the contest (assuming the "date photographed" was part of your EXIF data). Nikki's explanation makes sense, as BP has often started the next month of EPs before the previous month has finished. And had a 2nd pass-through for EPs. But I don't think BP ever publicly discussed how they select EPs. Others, please chime in if I've misspoken...or if you're aware of other rules aside from the 2-month rule.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
This is the way I understand the rule, Ken. Well said.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Thanks for confirming most of my understanding, Ken. I do think it's important that people know Jim has said that if anyone could not follow the "taken within the last two months" rule for health or other reasons, they should write him and he would make an exception on the dates (but not on the "no resubs" part). I also think it's important that we realize there are members who really do not know about the new rules. Only a handful of members frequent the forum. I've already read a few general comments in the forum about people "cheating" and I hate to see that. I think we should "assume good intentions", and let Jim and his staff worry about the rules.
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
^ :-)
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
Nikki, I am aware of one person that has health issues and has a waiver. Unclear how BP enforces this, though. I suppose we won't truly know until we see the Staff Favs. And you're right; the average Joe Doe BPer probably has no idea of the 2-month limitation. Most don't follow the forums and have no insights into the discussions that are on-going. I don't think the contest upload page has been changed to reflect the new guidance.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
As I have stated before, I think a rule like this is fraught with potential problems. I don't know of any rule that isn't broken either by ignorance or just plain disregard of the rules (cheating). It happens. One would be naïve to think otherwise, however, this is BP's job to determine if the guidelines have not been followed. All I can do is follow the rule as I understand it and hope for the best. This is all any of us can do. I am eager to see the SF for June. It should be interesting.
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- Lindley Johnson Contact Lindley Johnson Lindley Johnson's Gallery |
I believe an email went out to all BP members with the explanation of the new rule, so everyone should know (theoretically). I, too, will be interested in seeing SFs for June. Personally I don't care for the rule at all, and think it will be difficult to enforce, at best.
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- Beth W. DeBor Contact Beth W. DeBor Beth W. DeBor's Gallery |
Now that I'm aware of the rule, should I take down a photo that doesn't meet the captured criteria even if it has an EP or is there a way to remove it from the contest but keep it in my gallery?
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
No way to remove it from the contest that I know of, Beth, but I wouldn't worry about it and would just let it ride.
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- Lindley Johnson Contact Lindley Johnson Lindley Johnson's Gallery |
I agree with Nikki, Beth - don't worry about it.
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
Don't worry about it! By the by, if you delete the image from your photos, it deletes it from BP period.
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- Beth W. DeBor Contact Beth W. DeBor Beth W. DeBor's Gallery |
Thanks!
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Cindy Koller |
Was noticing an earlier post where Cindy B. mentioned that folks were 'put off' by the new style galleries at BP. Here is my story. I've been trying to figure out if I should rewrite my current website, or hire someone to do it. I decided to look at the BP websites to see if perhaps any of them would solve the issue of my aging website. I was so disappointed in what BP had to offer and how much they were charging for it. Money is not the issue with me, as I'm willing to pay professional $$ for a professional site, but there are too many ways (like weekly or wix) to create your own more customizable website without ever needing to roll your own HTML. BP's sites did not meet my needs for a simple clean portfolio website.
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Pat Harry |
Cindy - congrats on the EP's on your images above.
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- Cindy Bendush Contact Cindy Bendush Cindy Bendush's Gallery |
I want to correct Cindy's comment above - I did not say people were 'put off' by the new gallery style. My comment can be found near the beginning of this thread.
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Pat Harry |
Personally I would ignore Cindy K's comment about galleries. It is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread - "June 2016 EPs, SFs, Finalists".
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Yes, back to the June EP's... I picked up one for the 11th.
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- Beth W. DeBor Contact Beth W. DeBor Beth W. DeBor's Gallery |
I don't know if they're done with June, but I picked up three--11th, 12th and 19th.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I see one image skipped for an EP from June 8 th till June 20th. I don't think that the First round for June is done yet. UB.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Got one for the 30th. Another pass through? 16 out of 18 for me. I'll admit that I had to work harder to come up with "new" photos. Good luck everyone.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Yes, it seems the first round is complete as I also have an EP showing under my June 30, 2016 entry. UB.
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Bill Johnson |
June Staff Favs are out. Congrats to all who received them and good luck in the Silver and Gold Rounds.
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
4 SFs for me....none of my plane images.. Luck to all, and Puddin', in the Finalist/Gold rounds... :-)
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Thank you Mr. Bob! :-)
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
Just wondering if June Finalists had been picked yet?
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- Peggy Pfister Contact Peggy Pfister Peggy Pfister's Gallery |
It appears not ...
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Bill Johnson |
Finalists are now posted. Congrats to all who received them and good luck in the gold round.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
June is over for me! :-( The best of everything to the rest of you!
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Bill Johnson |
Congrats to all the winning photographers in the June Contest.
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