 Bill Johnson |
DEC. EPs, SFs, Finalists Time to start the Dec. Comments:
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So far today 16 more EP's (and counting?) have been made. They have judged through Dec. 6. as of this posting.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Autumn Across the Street 12/6/2014 Digital Darkroom Thanks Bill for starting the thread!
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
Oh, my. Skips already. Looking bad, like the terribly spotty EPs last month (and I wonder if we'll get a second look for November--as we did not for October). Anyway, yes an EP for the 6th in Travel and Place and everything before that apparently skipped.
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Bill Johnson |
Mitch, there are reports from some about getting Nov eps just yesterday and in my case it was from an entry made on Nov. 1. So we may have seen or be seeing that second look right now.
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Bill Johnson |
28 more EP's just awarded for Dec. 6 and before. Hope you got one.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
My profile exactly, Mitch, except my single EP was on the 5th with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th skipped.
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Bill Johnson |
It's a bit quiet in the judging right now, but so far today they have awarded about 350 EP's. I suspect about 100 EP's went to the Nov. second pass. Yes, there was a second pass today. Hope you got some. They also judged Dec. 7 and 8. So they are up-to-date as of today Dec. 9.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
So far, my only EP is for the 8th. Worst start ever. Oh well, maybe in the second round.......
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Dec 1st and Dec 8th caught the eye of the picker in my case. UB.
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- Peggy Pfister Contact Peggy Pfister Peggy Pfister's Gallery |
For me for December ... nada, zip, zilch, nothing, nary a one. I am going to believe that they haven't completely judged all the December days yet, as the alternative is just too depressing. That's my reality and I'm sticking to it, LOL!
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery  |
One for me on Dec 4th, and it was an un-EPd resub from October.... That makes 1 out of 6... :-(
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I just keep on entering but here's the low down. 12-1 Skipped (again) 12-2 Skipped 12-3 Skipped 12-4 Skipped 12-5 Skipped 12-6 Skipped 12-7 EP Details and Macro "Leaf Surfing" 12-8 Skipped ( if the day has been judged) 12-9 ? 12-10 ? Pretty depressing.
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Sharon Day |
I am skipping December. Maybe January will be better :).
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Bill Johnson |
So far, they've only judged up Dec. 8 and we don't know how complete that judging has been. Remember they just added about 500 plus EP's to Nov. with the second time around.
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Monnie Ryan |
Zero for me so far in December with 10 entries out of 11 days. Even if it's my last month here, it's still disappointing.
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Bill Johnson |
They added at least 125 new EP"s today but they covered both the 9th and 10th.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Just got one for the Dec 10 for N&L. UB.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I wanted to write a manifesto but decided against it. Just feeling low. I wish I knew what I was doing wrong.
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- Mary L. Olson Contact Mary L. Olson Mary L. Olson's Gallery |
Harriet, I doubt that you are doing anything wrong. Please remember that EPs or winners are selected based on the opinions of one or two people. You don't know who they are or how well qualified they are to judge. Jim Miotke says they are pros, but that is an extremely broad definition which includes the people who take those awful school pictures. Even if we assume the judge or judges are well qualified, personal preferences come into play. Judges like different things. And they make mistakes. They are human. I once sent the same image to two different teachers to review. They both liked it pretty well, but one said the lighting was a little off and and the other said the lighting was great, but I needed more depth of field. I left the image the way it was. It was mine; it said what I wanted it to say, and every time I look at it it takes me back to Paris. Never a bad thing. :-) Where you can go wrong is to try to change your style or taste to meet the tastes of these unknown judges or even of your buddies on the site. This contest should be fun and not angst-producing. It's a game. I would hope that you never let it dampen the real joy, which is found in making images that speak from your heart. My best wishes to you.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Thank you, Mary. Your kind words did, indeed, cheer me up. I appreciate the thought and effort put forth.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
Harriet, you're not doing anything wrong. Nor is anyone else that participates in the contest, that's seeing a decline in their EPs, doing anything wrong. Your photography skills are fine. The answer is simply...BP's EP rate has gone down considerably from it's heyday when 75% of contest entries got an EP. I checked all contest entries on the 9th of December, from 1201AM to 11:59AM...a 1/2 day. I could only check those photos uploaded/entered on the 9th. There were 79 photos uploaded during the 12hr period and 23 had an EP and 56 didn't. That's an EP rate of 29%. Very low. Let's assume you (generic) upload 15 photos to the contest each month. If the EP rate is 75%, then on average that equates to 11EPs. But now, the rate is 29%. Of your 15 contest entries, you now get 4 EPs. I'm sure your photo skills are the same, but you only got 4 EPs. It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. It just means BP's rate is much lower than before. I can't tell you why BP is handing out less EPs, and I realize many people equate the drop-off to declining quality on their part which isn't true. My EP count has tailed off just like everyone else's. I totally agree with Mary's bottom line that the contest should be fun and not angst-producing. Life is too short to let BP's lower EP rate rob our joy of photography. Harriet, you are a gifted photographer. Keep on shooting and posting your super work. If it gets an EP, then great. If not, then your next beautiful photo may. Just remember, WE are all in the same boat with declining EPs.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Amen Ken! I've seen some of the most amazing images here without EP's Harriet and it is not because the quality of the images have fallen...Like Ken said it has happened to all of us! Hang in there girl friend your work rocks! :-)
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Ken and Joannie, thank you for the encouraging words. It is the wonderful people here at BP that makes it all worthwhile. Thanks again.
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- Claudia Kuhn Contact Claudia Kuhn Claudia Kuhn's Gallery |
years ago, I used to get a lot of flower finalists and beyond... now I don't even get an Editors Pick on any flower shots. Go figure.
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- Claudia Kuhn Contact Claudia Kuhn Claudia Kuhn's Gallery |
oh, and I have EPs for Dec. 7, 8, & 10th
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Well said Mary and Ken. UB.
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Pat Harry |
December has not been a great month for me! However, I've been reworking old images, rather than shooting new ones. Maybe this will make me get my tail in gear, and go shoot some new images!
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Bill Johnson |
Nothing's been judged yet since the 10th so don't think you've been passed over. Might see something today or tomorrow.
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Bill Johnson |
About 16 EPs added today, but probably nothing later than Dec. 10th.
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Got one for the 11th. How far along are they???
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Bill Johnson |
They've done up through the 12th.
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Bill Johnson |
Judging has been done through the 16th. May or may not be complete.
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Bill Johnson |
the 17th.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Got one on the 16th. UB.
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Bill Johnson |
Now up to the 19th. They are moving quickly but are still 17 days behind.
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Bill Johnson |
We should expect more EP activity today. The pattern has been to get work a month behind. If they follow the previous work method. Dec must be finished this week and January will be started this week. They knock off judging about the 10th of the month for a while.
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Bill Johnson |
Today, BP added EPs from the 20th to the 30th. At least 505 were awarded. On average that's about 50 a day. The total may be higher as my count doesn't tally EP's given on resubmitted photos with Eps from Oct or Nov. They are still 6 days behind. Should there be a second round, it will most likely be this week. I hope you had good results.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I got 3 more EPs, but if they are done for the month of December, then I would definitely like to see the second round start soon as some of my absolute faves were skipped. So far, 11 images (2 of these had previous EPs, so I don't exactly know if these two have any chance of moving further this month) show an EP underneath and I entered a total of 28 or 29 images, so almost every third of my submit was stamped a new EP badge. UB.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
So they have finished the first run through for December, Bill? If so, I have 6 new ones and 3 that were already on images I resubmitted from my gallery for a grand total of 9 out of 31 entries.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Sounds good Nikki, I've only received 1 EP for the month of Dec.
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Bill Johnson |
They still haven't done the 31st yet. Maybe today...
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Joannie, I'm sharing the table with you -- 1 EP from Dec. entries (it was on my last entry of the month, coincidentally.)
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- Bob Cournoyer Contact Bob Cournoyer Bob Cournoyer's Gallery |
3 EPs out of 11 entries.... :-(
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
It looks like 8 out of 23 entered. This is the worst month yet for me unless there is a second pass through and I get lucky. Oh well..... es la vida....
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I checked the last five days of EPs in December, and did some extrapolations for 31 days, and a guess of 7,000 contest entries. EP rate was ~25%, or one in four.
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- Peggy Pfister Contact Peggy Pfister Peggy Pfister's Gallery |
One EP out of eleven entries. Ouch.
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Bill Johnson |
No judging today (yet). Still have the 31st to go before month complete.
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Bill Johnson |
No Judging today (wednesday).
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Looks like they are giving EP's for Jan. now!
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Bill Johnson |
You are correct, Joannie. Today they finished Dec. and did up through Jan 7. In the past when they have gotten to whatever yesterday is, they stop judging until much later in the month. If there were to be a second round for Dec., I think it would need to take place over the next few days.They need to get Dec. entries set so they can finish that process, and I don't think they wish to add last minute EPs. Today they added about 460 EP's for 8 days of competition. (Dec 31 - Jan 7). Once again that's about 50 EPs a day. Congrats to all who got them.
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
Well, this has been the ugliest month for me for EPs ever. I have three for twenty-one new entries in November (there are some on resubs). Now that I hear about December, it looks even worse. If they are up to the 7th, then I'm out of the running on those days. Do I think this, or any of it, is any sort of reasonable assessment of images? No, of course not. None of us do or know what's going on, but clearly it is not pleasant.
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
I'm sorry, I meant to be discussing December and January, not November and December.
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Bill Johnson |
Mitch, Was your data quoted correct for Jan, Dec or was your data just for dec, nov and you have e different data for Jan/ dec?
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
Bill, it is correct for December and January.
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Monnie Ryan |
I stopped participating Jan. 1, but just for the record I have just 3 EPs for December with something like 29 entries. A year or so ago I'd have had at least 20, probably more. Quite a noticeable drop.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
There's no Jan EP thread yet, so am reporting quick look at EP rate for Jan 7th N/L 4 out of 23, or 17%
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Thanks for breaking this down, Ken. It confirms what I have been saying.
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Linda Chisholm |
Just looking through recent entries and noticed 34? from the same participant on the 8th and another 14 on the 10th...wow...that's a lot of entries and the month isn't half over yet!! I understand how some feel this is a bit unfair...kind of overwhelming...may be BP's way of getting everyone to upgrade their membership???
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Sharon Sawyer |
Tag....January 2015 Thread http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnADetail.php?threadID=37325
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Still hoping for a 2nd look at the skipped entries from December. I have at least 8 more that should be in the pool. Anyone else?
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- Lindley Johnson Contact Lindley Johnson Lindley Johnson's Gallery |
I'm with you, Nikki - I have 3 Eps out of 11 entries for December. There are some that I would hope would be added. It's happened before!
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
8 out of 23 entered. It would be nice to pick up a couple more on photos I think are worthy.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
I have you all beat! Out of 15 photos I have 1 EP! I win! :-)
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Bill Johnson |
BP just added about 100 EPs. I think they were from Jan. but maybe they added some from Dec., too.
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Bill Johnson |
BP just recently added about 50 EPs. May have been from Dec or Jan. Anyone know which?
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Bill Johnson |
Correction: 250 EPS.
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MELODIE C. ROBERTS |
At least some of them were for December I picked up four
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I picked up two in December, one of which was a resub that hadn't gotten an EP on either round of the first submission, so that was gratifying. Now about the other 20 . . .
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- Lindley Johnson Contact Lindley Johnson Lindley Johnson's Gallery |
I picked up two - I'm now 5 out of 11.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Texas Portrait 12/9/15 Digital Darkroom That's two for December...
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I am feeling much better. I don't know how many I picked up but things are looking better. Happy dance......in my mind. :-)
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Bill Johnson |
Great that many of you got more EPS. Today they added about 400 more. so they added a total of about 650 this weekend. I guess most were Dec. They did add some for Dec. 11, too.
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Bill Johnson |
Oops, That's for Jan 11 not Dec 11.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
More for December in last couple of hours.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Windmill 12/19/15 Digital Darkroom I now have 3 for Dec. :-)
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
Joannie, I only got 5...and 4 of them were added just the other day...
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Bill Johnson |
So BP just added about 70 more EPs recently. I think they just completed the Dec second round. I am surprised they added more to Dec so late this month, as I hope they have time to get the SF's out before the last day of the month. However, that said, I'm glad they did it and added so many more to the count. All told they added about 1000 since about Jan 10. These were spread among Dec and Jan. They added all or part of 3 days worth of Jan and did a second round of Dec. They may also have done a second run on Jan 1 through the 10th, too. I don't know. Maybe some of you do. Seen comments by many that some of their favs finally made it. Amazing how sometimes it seems hard to get the EP, but once picked it often times moves up to higher levels. Oh well, it's all part of the fun of the photo contests. Congrats to all who picked up some of the 1000 EPs (and all the ones before that, too).
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Anita Hogue |
Well, I lucked out! 12 out of 16 is good more me! Wow!
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Bill Johnson |
Good for you Anita. By the way just added another 100 EP's. So my note from earlier should be revised to 1100. Didn't get any of the last batch so I don't know where they picked from. Once again it might be more for Dec. They definitely didn't add anything beyond where they left off on the 11th, so they were all posted earlier. I wonder what the ep rate for dec is now after the 1100 added eps?
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Bill Johnson |
Add yet another 100 EPs given out overnight.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Two more for me for Dec - both late in the month entries.
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Bill Johnson |
Okay, I'm SURE the second round is complete. It has to be as we are in the final run on SFs finalists, and, of course, winners. My wish is that SFs come out in the next couple of days, and finalists come out a day later. That would leave a few days to enjoy them before seeing the winners. Just a thought...
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I believe that I had approximately 12 out of 23. It could have been one or two more. That second round helped.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Second rounds don't seem to help me much! 3 out of 15!
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Bill Johnson |
Just some info that you might find interesting regarding the Dec. contest. and SFs, Finalists, and Winners. Although we know BP doesn't necessarily keep to a pattern, this is what happened last month (also a 31 day month). SFs came out at 3:26pm EST on the 30th. Finalists were announced at 1:57pm EST on the 31st, and winners were announced at 6:54pm EST on the 31st. Unless something happens via announcements the rest of today, I suspect we'll see something very close to this for the Dec Contest. Also last month the EP judging was resumed on Dec entries before the timetable I quoted occurred on the NOV contest.
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Bill Johnson |
Oh and good luck to all!!!
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Marilyn Cornwell |
Bill This is so interesting - how do you calculate the number of EPs added. Is it manual or do you have an algorithm. Marilyn
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Bill Johnson |
Thanks, Marilyn. In terms of EPs, when you pull up the EP gallery, there is a number on the right hand side which right now is 9627. When EPs are added, I just do the math. A couple of things about this: The EP gallery contains about 3 months worth of EPs, so if one re-enters a photo from that time period, and it is selected again, it won't increment the counter as it's already in the count. So when I report what I see it is only an estimate as the real count is probably higher. Hope that is clear enough.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
I was wondering the same thing, Bill. Thanks for keeping us well informed. You are appreciated.
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Bill Johnson |
Thank you Harriet. How kind of you. Well. we didn't get the SFs yesterday. So if BP is to make the winners deadline (the one they set for last day of the month), then today they release everything. I do recall at least one occasion when they were a few days late posting the winners. However, by and large they post them by deadline. There is so much involved in running an online system and mostly we never see or know what has to be done to make deadline on so many things. Given that, they do a great job at making the contest deadlines as well as keeping all systems working.
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Well said and by in large, agreed with. We'll just keep our fingers crossed and our hopes held high.
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Bill Johnson |
SF's are Out!!
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Two with SF. My favorite for the month and an old photo of the Westminster Abby corridor so that's ok. Good luck to all recipients of Staff Favorites.
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
Oh well, none for me I guess...:-(
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Bill Johnson |
Sorry if you didn't receive an SF. If you did, (Harriet and any others) good luck in the finalist round.
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
I'm on Jill's bench...no SF's!
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- Peggy Pfister Contact Peggy Pfister Peggy Pfister's Gallery |
I'm on the bench with you ladies too! Congrats and best of luck to all who got SFs !!!
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- Harriet Feagin Contact Harriet Feagin Harriet Feagin's Gallery |
Hang in there, girls. Tomorrow is another month! It will all start all over and you three are great photographers. Best of luck to you three and everyone else in the January round. I messed around with water all this month and the judges may not be impressed at all but I had fun and learned a lot. In the end, we improve, learn, have fun and do the best we can. Did I mention the best part? We meet so many neat people while this happens.
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- Peggy Pfister Contact Peggy Pfister Peggy Pfister's Gallery |
Well said, Harriet, and thanks for the encouragement!
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- Joannie Bertucci Contact Joannie Bertucci Joannie Bertucci's Gallery |
Harriet, now I'm on Peggy's bench! :-)
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- Jill Odice Contact Jill Odice Jill Odice's Gallery |
Make room for one more :-) Well said...I will headed out next week for my first photo shoot of 2015 with the SoCal Photo Chicks :-) Time for some new images to play with!
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Bill Johnson |
Jill, did you mean this for Dec. or Jan??? What community do the So Ca Photo Chicks operate out of? Congrats on your EP no matter which month.
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