A Runner's High

© Elaine Hessler

A Runner's High

Uploaded: January 28, 2013

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Exif: F Number: 5.6, Exposure Bias Value: -1.00, ExposureTime: 1/320 seconds, Flash: did not fire., ISO: 1600, White balance: Manual white balance, FocalLength: 85.00 mm, Model: NIKON D5100

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Elaine Hessler January 28, 2013

Hi! My goal was to fulfill the monthly challenge, but that was very difficult in these poor lighting conditions. My running buddy Pat and I took pictures at this endurance race. I was amazed how happy most of them were and they were all grateful to have us photograph them. We posted their photos on Facebook and emailed them the files if they wanted them for free. It was a lot of fun.

These other pictures are three people from my running group. Another great group of people! #1511658

Beth Spencer January 28, 2013

Most people running don't ever look this happy! I think you did good for the light you had. I like the expression on the first person the best. He looks happy and very relaxed. #10543185

Dale Hardin January 28, 2013

these are great Elaine. Would you share your camera setup with us? I like the first one best but the chance placement of his legs makes them look really weird. That is until you can visualize where one sock stops and the other begins. Quite an optical illusion. #10543312

Stephen Shoff January 28, 2013

I'm learning that there is a lot of appreciation for good quality photographs of these community events. And people do like to get pictures of themselves participating.

I generally refrain from critiquing challenge postings, but in this case I'd ask the question about the white balance. The skin tones seem a little too warm to me. Could the reds be reduced just a little? #10543385

Elaine Hessler January 29, 2013

I welcome the critiques, even in difficult situations. It's the only way to learn.

I did adjust the color a bit to take away some of the red-I definitely see what you mean. Is this any better?

By the way, I compared my pictures to my friend's, and I can definitely see the difference in the sensor's ability-the shadows and graininess aren't as bad. He has a brand new Sony (not sure which one). I decided to wait for the next Nikon D7000 to come out. I am sure there will be an upgrade this year with the new sensor, so I am just waiting it out.

As for the setup-I used my telephoto lens at 85mm, ISO 1600 (ugh!!!), shutter priority at 1/320s, and f 5.6. EV -1 and cloudy WB. It was SO gloomy that day. #10543729

Dale Hardin January 29, 2013

Elaine, the sensor for your camera is made by Sony. :o) #10544129

Elaine Hessler January 29, 2013

Ha ha. Pat told me that:) I have the 12 or 14 MP sensor, he has the new 24 MP. And he rubs it in..... #10544194

Jeff E Jensen January 29, 2013

Nice work on these, Elaine! #10544607

Beth Spencer January 29, 2013

Looks great! Remind your friend that the best camera out there is the one you have with you at the time!! #10544639

Rita K. Connell level-classic January 29, 2013

Elaine theses are great shots. for it being a gloomy day I think you did a great job on the exposure were you shooting in Raw or jpeg.

I really like my Nikon D7000 I just got it in Sept, so far I haven't been disappointed at all. #10544814

Anthony L. Mancuso January 29, 2013

Good job on these Elaine..

That leg thing that Dale pointed out is pretty funny...what are the chances the lines on his sock would line up perfectly with the other leg like that?? #10545139

Stephen Shoff January 29, 2013

Yes Elaine, your slight adjustment looks better [on my monitor].

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Elaine Hessler January 30, 2013

Thanks!!! Now I see what you are talking about with the socks Dale! It is pretty funny.

As for shooting in RAW/JPEG, I actually chose to shoot in JPEG (yes, I know) because I knew I was going to take around 500 pictures. It was more of a space issue... #10545731

Dale Hardin January 30, 2013

A 32 gig card will take care of that. My camera is 24 mp and in raw/jpeg, can shoot all day. #10545872

Stephen Shoff January 30, 2013

...or just carry a second card.

However, in this shooting situation, I would think JPG was more than adequate. We aren't talking portraits here, we're talking casual candids suitable for webpage display, maybe a 5x7 sRGB print, or small inserts in newsletters. Nor are we talking Dale's rodeo shooting where he is going to want to emphasize things like clouds of dust in post-processing. "Pixel peeping" might reveal differences in image quality, but in real-life viewing situations, Pat's 24 MP camera or a your NEF image, probably won't produce anything visibly better than the JPG from your [18 MP?] D5100.

Elaine, be careful to understand what you may actually have been comparing between Pat's pictures and yours. Unless you were comparing raw files on a high quality monitor, you were more likely comparing the quality of Pat's more current, state-of-the-art, in-camera JPG processing, LCD capabilities, or even the quality of your lenses rather than the capabilities of the sensor. I'm not sure high megapixel counts give you much more than larger print and tighter cropping capabilities. They often actually increase noise problems that require higher-powered in-camera JPG processing to overcome. I've had both the Sony NEX-5N (18 MP?) and the NEX-7 (24 MP) on the same size APS-C sensor. While the NEX-7's JPG processing is pretty good, I'm not convinced that its sensor outperforms the NEX-5N in "gloomy" conditions.

Here is one reviewers comment that happens to include references to both the D5100 and D7000:

"If you just want fantastic pictures, get a D5100. If you're a seasoned photographer who also wants more knobs and blinking lights, go for the D7000."

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d5100.htm. I'm not a big fan of Ken Rockwell, but others are. He does often make a point that many camera models share the same sensor, the D5100 and D7000 in this case. So just be sure you understand where advantages of higher-priced cameras come from. It often isn't the sensor.

Don't let us or other's intimidate you. Understand what you are after in any given situation and don't make things harder (or more expensive) than they really need to be. #10545964

Elaine Hessler January 30, 2013

Thanks... I did have three other cards, but I really didn't want to clutter up my hard drive with pictures that were being posted on the web. Although I did just buy a 2TB external HD. More space!

So I understand what you are saying about the sensor and being able to enlarge to print. I assumed that the newer sensors were better in low light situations. Not true?

And yes, the D5100 and 7000 have the same sensor. I think the D7000 is due for an upgrade this year with a new (better and more sensitive) sensor. Not sure. If it comes out, I'll definitely read the reviews before I buy to make sure I am buying for the right reason.

And I appreciate the time you took to write your comments Stephen!

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Teresa H. Hunt January 30, 2013

These are great shots Elaine. My brother-in-law does a half marathon in memory of my boys every year, so I take pictures for him. It's difficult to get good shots, since they don't stand still and the area he runs is a forest. So I can appreciate that you're pictures turned out much better than mine do. :) #10546876

Stephen Shoff January 30, 2013

Newer sensor's may, emphasize the "may", perform better than older sensors, if "newer" sensors really are newer technology and not just repackaged or resized receptor sites.

I've owned and used both 1) the Canon 5D (12 MP on a full-frame sensor and the Canon 5D Mark II (21 MP on a full-frame sensor and 2) the Sony NEX-5N (18 MP? on and APS-C size sensor) and the NEX-7 (24 MP on the same size sensor.

There are still those that hold that the original 5D outperforms the 5D Mark II in noise characteristics and while I didn't use my 5D very long, there are times when I've been out shooting with my 5D Mark II that I wonder if I wouldn't have done better with the original 5D, which I still own but never use. And I'm certain that the noise characteristics of the NEX-5N outperforms the NEX-7. Sensor performance does improve as we progress from one generation of sensor technology to another, but when you are comparing similar generation implementations where they've just crammed smaller photo sensor sites onto essentially the same size sensor, the larger pixel size ought to outperform the smaller. But I want to emphasize that becomes noticeable to us only when we are working with RAW files. When we are working with the in-camera JPG files, the camera software will have dealt with the noise and then what you're seeing is the sophistication of the noise reduction software. #10547001

Elaine Hessler January 31, 2013

Thanks for that information. It is good to know before investing in a new camera. #10547260

Michael Kelly level-classic February 02, 2013

Nice set of snaps - I bet these guys really appreciated the clear shots. #10551230

Debbie E. Payne February 03, 2013

Elaine -I think you did a great job of taking these candid shots for a race. Bet you could even make some money off this if you ever wanted to. But that's not where I want to go here. Great opportunity and good images as well. I think you got the WB much better in the edit. I still struggle with WB.

I find this discussion very interesting and we can always count on Stephen for these kinds of conversations which is a very good thing. Not all pixels are equal. I am still reworking pictures from my 30 and 40D's which are only 8 megapixels each and if they aren't meant to be blown up into huge sizes, they still look pretty darn good. Of course you can "fix"more of your images if they weren't exposed properly in the first place. I think that the large RAW sizes are causing us to not be as careful when we take the shot and just looking at your image on the back of the camera is little better than not looking at all. Sometimes the pictures you think are great turn out to be complete disappointments. Other times the ones you don't think are so good are great. The in-camera sharpening can make you think that a bad image is good. I went to a workshop a couple of weeks ago where we had to turn off the in-camera sharpening to get better focused shots. Interesting concept but I think it is working better for me. #10552637

Elaine Hessler February 04, 2013

That is interesting. And makes me realize I've got some more reading to do :)

My friend and I decided to only shoot where there were no photographers. We didn't want to compete and take away from someone else. I decided a few years ago that I do not want to do this for money. I think for me it would take the fun out of it, and if someone appreciates my pictures, that is enough for me. It is a fun hobby and I want to keep it that way:). I am lucky to have a decent day job :)

I give you guys credit for doing this as a paying job! #10553023

Peter W. Marks February 04, 2013

Your first image particularly had me smiling back at that character Elaine. I gave him the peace sign and thought, "there's 'joi de vivre' if ever there was! Fun images. #10553994

Brandi K. Mills February 04, 2013

All great shots! I really like the one of Tim. For an older gentleman he looks very healthy and happy. #10554235

Susan M. Reynolds level-addict February 06, 2013

A nice series for last months challenge and some great shots for sure, as well as the thread for reading.
I've found that the portrait shoots I used to do for people always turned out better on overcast days with no sun...except where I was able to use the magical golden hours of sunset...so the gloomy day look doesn't bother me.
I like the looks on the faces of the runners and your edit seems to have corrected the pinkness too.
I've an old dinosaur in the Nikon D200 with just a 10.2 mp sensor...it came out in '05 & I bought it a year later...dreaming of the D800 but my camera savings jar is very empty at the time being...by the time I save enough to get the D800 a new model will be probably be out! I just hope my old dinosaur holds out till then. Need to send it off for a good cleaning tune-up...is that something that is available and if so where should one send it.
Until the time I can afford a new beast I'll agree with Beth and remind myself "...that the best camera out there is the one you have with you at the time!!" #10557056

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